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Re: Proposed IETF BoF on IP over DVB - an explaination!
Martin,
I think the transition from BoF to Working Group requires more work than
you state here. But, that is no reason to scare anyone off, hence my private
responses...
John
M.Butcher@hns.com wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Would it be possible to see some of the ATSC papers on this subject? It
> would indeed be good to have a single solution. Please join the reflector
> and submit your proposals and we will determine the reaction.
>
> Martin
>
> Martin Butcher, Technical Manager
> UK Engineering Design Centre
> Hughes Network Systems Europe Ltd.
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>
> "Crinon, Regis J"
> <regis.j.crinon@intel.com> To:
> "'M.Butcher@eu.hns.com'"
> 17/10/01 06:12 <M.Butcher@eu.hns.com>
> cc: "Crinon, Regis J"
> <regis.j.crinon@intel.com>
> Subject: RE: Proposed
> IETF BoF on IP over DVB - an
> explaination!
>
>
> Martin:
> I read your e-mail with interest. Would it possible
> for the IETF BoF to widen its focus to IP over ATSC as well ?
> The ATSC T3/S13 Data Broadcast Specialist Group that I
> chair has just released a specification in which we solved a
> number of problems related to the mapping of IP networks
> into an MPEG-2 Transport Stream. We also have defined
> how SAP/SDP and ATSC PSIP (the counterpart of DVB-SI)
> can coexist and complement each other. Finally we have
> had a close cooperation with the US cable industry in this
> matter (DVS 311). Please let me know.
>
> Thank you in advance.
>
> Regis J. Crinon
> Intel Corporation
>
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: M.Butcher@eu.hns.com [mailto:M.Butcher@eu.hns.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2001 9:19 AM
> To: dvb-cm@list.dvb.org; dvb-tm@list.dvb.org
> Subject: Proposed IETF BoF on IP over DVB - an explaination!
>
> Dear All,
>
> After some discussions the job of introducing this topic fell on me.. here
> goes.
>
> Proposed IETF BoF on IP over DVB - an explaination!
> ------------------------------------------------------
> ------------------------
>
> Background
> ------------------
>
> With the new direction of DVB 2.0 which has IP as a main element, certain
> activies have been started within DVB. Issues with IP have been raised and
> many have now found owner groups. Some issues have not. In some cases
> expertise on issues has not been available within the groups within DVB.
>
> At the last TM meeting a call for remaining technical issues was made and
> these are to be debated at the next meeing in November, this clearly needs
> to happen and the following is in no way intended to conflict with this.
>
> The issue concerning the carriage of IP over DVB have also been raised in
> the DVB-BSS group.
>
> It has been noted that DVB has forged good liasons with various external
> bodies to promote information exchange and the question has been posed by
> several DVB members about liason with the IETF to ensure that effort is not
> duplicated, expertise is available and that good visibility of issues is
> achieved.
>
> One problem with the IETF is that it does not readily support such liasons
> except those formed by the attendees. Thus for any successful liason to
> occur it is important that DVB members have representation within the IETF
> and vica versa.
>
> It came to light in the discussions within the DVB-IPI group that the PILC
> (Performance Implications of link Characteristics) group within the IETF
> had been studying transport of IP over links such as MPEG and DVB. Several
> organisation who are also DVB members were also active in the IETF and
> concerned about the commercial and technical impliciations of the
> convergence of DVB/MPEG and IP networks. Mr Gorry Fairhurst of Aberdeen
> University (who had presented work in this group within the IETF)
> undertook to explore how these issues could best be tackled within both
> DVB and IETF.
>
> The question was how to get a group within the IETF that could best discuss
> the issues surrounding DVB/MPEG in a similar way to those tackling ATM,
> Mobile, Bluetooth etc.
>
> How to Create an IETF working group
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> The road to creating an IETF group starts with finding a group of people
> interested in a topic.
>
> First one needs to have an issue.
> This needs to be discussed with an Area Director - e.g. Internet ,
> Applications, General, Operations, Routing, Security, Sub IP etc.
> Sufficient interest has to be demonstrated
> A proposal for a group at an IETF meeting
> - This is known as a BoF which stands for 'Birds or a
> Feather' ( for those not familiar this is a saying 'Birds of a Feather
> Flock Together')
> The BoF meets - if sufficient people attend the group and a report
> is generated the BoF turns into a working group (or else it dies!).
>
> Current Status
> ---------------------
>
> Gorry has a proposal with the relevant Area Director for a BoF to be held
> at the next IETF meeting in Salt Lake City (10-14 Dec 2001). He has created
> a temporary email reflector (ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk) to discuss the
> formation of this group and several DVB members have subscribed.
>
> A decision needs to be taken soon as to:-
>
> Is there enough support within DVB for such an activity?
> Is there any opposition to this activity within DVB?
> Is the December IETF meeting too soon or should this be postponed
> to Minneapolis in March?
>
> There is no desire to push for an activity that will not have enough
> support and therefore not achieve the status of a working group.
>
> Action Required
> ------------------------
>
> DVB members interested in this topic and capable of attending the IETF in
> either December or March and interested in the proposed BoF should contact
> Mr Gorry Fairhurst gorry@erg.abdn.ac.uk and/or subscribe to the email
> reflector ip-dvb@erg.abdn.ac.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> Martin Butcher, Technical Manager
> UK Engineering Design Centre
> Hughes Network Systems Europe Ltd.
> Saxon Street, Linford Wood , Milton Keynes MK14 6LD, United Kingdom
> Tel : Direct +44 1908 326 205 Tel Main +44 1908 221122 x 205 Mobile:
> +44 7901514110
> Fax : +44 1908 221127
> Email: M.Butcher@eu.hns.com
>
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